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(or at least, so sings a gay Adolf Hitler in The Producers)
Sunday, February 13, 2011
Tea Party
"Tea Partiers tended to believe that they had done all the right things in life...They believed was embracing policies that favored the poor...Government had taken control of their lives and they wanted it back." (222) once again selfish. The Tea Partiers kept saying that its rewarding the losers. according to USA today three out of Ten pepole are supporters of the Tea Party. Some of them dont even understand it, " i dont really understand it, but i like what thye stand for, They just support everything in looking for." I think they should find out what they actually do represent ( not that i know much either) before actually making a decision in where you stand.
Another idiot that we just cant get enough off is Beck, to me he just seems to whine and whine all the time. in This is America a quote by Beck, " I just love my country, and i fear of it. and it seems like the voices of our leaders and special interests and the media, they're surrounding us, it sounds intimidating." "pull away the curtain, y'ull realize that there isnt anybody there, its just a few people that are just pressing the buttons and their voices are actually really weak. the truth is, they dont surround us. we surround them. this is OUR country.".. can you say DRAMATIC. yes this is our country but from what i know so far, everything that has been done is for the better. We havent seen no drastic changes, but will benefit us in the long run. an article on the Washington Post, according to the Tea Partiers, "it has been proven that it can motivate voters and gets them to the polls." well, lets hope that people do vote but they vote right and for the right reasons.
My understand of the Tea party is still not very clear but so far all of the people involved in it seem to be people that arent really for change but against everything that effects them and their lives.
Here's some shit. Eat up!
From what I have gathered from the Zernike reading, a talk with my mom, a Wikipedia article, and the CBS- NYT poll results, the contradictions of the Tea Party are seemingly some of the most confusing pieces of subject matter I have attempted to wrap my head around. The Tea Party, as Wikipedia defined it, is an American political movement that has sponsored protests and supported candidates since 2009. So there’s the when. The Tea Party’s platform is apparently explicitly populist and is essentially recognized as conservative and libertarian. A Gallup poll reported that approximately 80% of Tea Party activists consider themselves Republican. The CBS-NYT poll data showed that 66% of Tea Partiers voted always or usually Republican, and 25% of them voted equally amongst Democratic and Republican, so the percentages are fairly similar between the Gallup and New York Times polls. There’s the who. These generally conservative/libertarian people have contributed to a movement that has no central leadership, but is composed of a loose affiliation of national and local groups that determine their own platforms and agendas, with caucuses in the House of Representatives and the Senate of the US. What allures members of the Tea Party is its endorsement in reduced government spending, lower taxes, a reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit, as well as adherence to an originalist interpretation of the US Constitution. Seriously, America? I think you all just want a reason to bitch, and you aren’t willing to pay more taxes because, God damn it, you really want that boat house in Nantucket.
For kicks and giggles, I had a talk with my mom asking her about what she knew about the Tea Party. She told me that it was about how Obama wants to raise taxes for US citizens that have an income of at least $200,000/year, and that the Republicans are very against this. She said that the ‘T’, ‘E’, and ‘A’ stood for some acronym about taxes. (Thanks, Mom. Real helpful.) Based on this knowledge, you can imagine that confusion still ensued. So upon taking in all of my other sources, I construed enough data to give me at least a general idea of what this is all about. I see how the Tea Party movement became popular with such strong leaders who are able to rile up crowds and sway audiences to essentially scream out their windows at the top of their lungs, “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!” In the Prologue of the Zernike reading, crowd leaders were described as enthusiastic, angry, and convincing in shouting very strong statements. Howard Beale is much the same in his role in ‘Network’; he is definitely angry, convincing to many, and persuasive with his audience to act a certain way. Regardless of whether anybody truly understands what Howard is saying, they eat that shit up. The same could be said of certain Tea Partiers because noted later in the Prologue, Ms. Jodine White, prime Tea Partier example, admitted to thinking that her beliefs contradicted the very essence of what she affiliated herself with in the Tea Party. I do not doubt the power of the Tea Party; it actually started out in the mere hundreds, and grew to a whopping 25% of the country in a matter of a couple years. This movement demonstrates the power of a human voice. It seems a little brainwashing to me because people are blindly joining the Tea Party because strong political figures are for it, the activists have a convincing voice, people want to feel like they’re a part of something powerful, and they are constantly encouraged to gather more followers like cults are going out of style. So my conclusion has come to this: People don’t know their shit. I don’t know my shit. My mom doesn’t know her shit. America doesn’t know its shit. Lord, help us all.
Tea Party? More like a white wine party...

So going into this assignment I tried to keep my min as open as possible. This was hard considering I had yet to do much research into this so called "Tea Party" yet I had many friends from both my home in California and here in Minneapolis spouting out a multitude of ideas about the rising group. Some positive, some negative, I'm sure you can guess which state the majority of each came from. Anyways... as I started into the Zernike article I was blown away by how much it reminded me of Adorno's excerpt from The Psychological Techniques of Martin Luther Thomas's Radio Addresses. It was almost if Adorno was actually writing about the organizers of the Tea Party. One of the clearest links was when Zernike was talking about Glen Beck's role in spreading awareness of the party and helping other to become involved. To gain the trust of these people, quoting Vernike, Beck with his, "just-between us style, his openness about his struggles with addiction, and his sneering at elites resonated with a lot of Americans who felt they had no voice." This perfectly describes part of what Adorno referred to as the "Emotional Release Devise" in which the speaker is "consciously and empathetically emotional as a part of his technique." So what about these two relations is important? Hello! Do we really want a group that is spouting off their political propaganda, I mean, political views in what Adorno describes as a fascist leadership manner? No thank you.
So putting these disturbing similarities aside, I decided to look a little deeper and try and find out, from the horses mouth, so to speak, what this Tea Party is claiming they are all about. The first thing I noticed is there are quite a few people who have claimed to have started the Tea Party. Why would anyone trust in a party who isn't even clear on who started it? Whatever, moving on. I finally decided upon a webpage about the Tea Party, teaparty.org. What I found amusing about this site was its simplicity. It gave a brief statement about their core values, my favorite of which being that "Gun Ownership is Sacred" and "Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged." Aside from that, all you could really do on the page was sign up to be part of the Tea Party or donate money. Wow, so not impressed, even I, who severely lacks in computer skills, could have come up with something more then that.
Even looking to other publications such as Newsweek, all that can really be ascertained is that "they want change!" Just like Network's Howard Beale ranting, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" the people of the Tea Party claim to be fed up with the government. What's really interesting though is they don't really seem to have a solid plan for all these changes they want to make, mostly they are just full of vague ideas. As put by Newsweek's Daniel Stone, "one of the movement’s biggest snags has been its inability to articulate concrete changes it would make to Washington and the federal government." I mean, as we can see by the New York Times/CNN poles, most of the country would like some sort of change involving the government. Most people have finally realized what a critical time our government is in and that the decisions made effect us all. But, is going back to a grass roots, small government really the best solution? According to a surprisingly/scary number of people, yes, that is the way to go. I on the other hand remain unconvinced.
Is the Tea Party the truth??
Primary source: http://www.teapartypatriots.org/ http://www.theteaparty.net/
Secondary source: http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
http://www.teapartyexpress.org/
What is the Tea Party?
Before reading Zernike I unfortunately didn’t know much about the Tea Party movement and what the motives of this group were. After reading Zernike I was able to develop a personal perception and opinion towards the Tea Party. Jennifer Turner Stefano, a woman who unintentionally attended a rally on Tax Day in April of 2008 shared her personally beliefs in Zernike’s article, Boiling mad. At this rally, the scene shocked Jennifer, but at the same time she was also energized by the amount of energy and motivation of the voters and was propelled to learn more. In the past she said that she “was struggling to find leaders she could embrace (31).” Like others she had her opinions and her positive and negative feelings towards the candidates of the elections, but she was never actually fully satisfied with either of the sides. I can make a personal connection to her because in the past I have never really been able to stick to one candidate and put forth 100% percent commitment to them and their beliefs.
The Tea Party is a movement for people to express their committed national support to their interpretations of the Constitution and to the success and failures of the government. According to the Tea Party Patriots the Tea Party’s core principles are “fiscal responsibility constitutional limited governments, and free markets.” They provide support, reason, evidence, and a solution to the agendas and policies of primarily Republican candidates.
The poll regarding the approval or disapproval of Barack Obama in the New York Times/CBS News Poll of Tea Party Supporters stated that out of all respondents, 50 approved, and the other 40 disapproved. These numbers are almost even with each other, which also go to show how voters have a hard time picking one side or another. Because there isn’t a large margin between the results proves that there is an even confusion of the people, rather than having a strict belief on one side or the other.
The Tea Party
I first want to make this clear: I don’t believe that anyone has any clear or definite answers regarding the Tea Party. That being said, I do think that the recession has had a great deal to do with the rise of the Tea Party because of the amount of disillusionment that many people have felt losing jobs, financial security, homes and facing a declining standard of living. There is no question of the influence that the Tea Party has had on politics and the media in the United States as of late: according to the Hoffington Post, they are even launching their own print media as a “conservative-insurgent response to the ‘lamestream’ media,” (Tea Party to Launch New Magazine at CPAC, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/09/tea-party-review-magazine-cpac-launch_n_820980.html). Tea Party supporters may not have been directly influenced by economic hardship (only 6% report being out of work in the CBS-NYT survey) but this does not mean that the recession has not affected people’s distrust in politicians and general disillusionment and fear.
It really struck me reading the story in Zernike (starts on page 30) of a woman who was a disillusioned voter and stumbled upon a Tea Party rally and felt automatically attracted, she felt at home. “She was struggling to find leaders she could embrace,” (Zernike 31). I think that the recession has been largely responsible for the great percentage of Americans who feel they cannot trust politicians and blame them for the economic problems this country has been facing. I see the Tea Party as being almost a support group for disillusioned Americans who feel they have nowhere else to turn. I think it is
My primary source is my (future) father-in-law who is an avid supporter of the Tea Party. He is personally very distraught with the “direction that the country” has gone in for the last 12 years. He is angry with the system and with inequalities that he sees but doesn’t really have answers. The Tea Party speaks to him because the Tea Party is very solutions based: they provide direct solutions to complicated problems. They also provide a direction for his anger and disillusionment: its the liberals, the illegal immigrants, large government, unions, black people, the welfare state.
I see a number of connections with the Tea Party and Howard Beale in Network. Howard Beale was someone who voiced what the population was feeling- anger. “Given a choice to describe themselves as ‘dissatisfied but not angry,’ 53 percent opted for ‘angry’- angry about health care, about government spending, about government ‘not representing the people,” (Zernike 7). Yelling out your window that “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore” is a way to not only feel like you are part of something, but that you have agency to do something about your anger. I feel that the Tea Party allows people to voice their anger and disappointment and feel that they have more agency within government and their own lives.
Seeing Red
And who are the People, exactly?
Well, if the People are the Tea Party, then according to the CBS-NYT survey data, the People are predominantly white, Protestant or Catholic, at least 45 years old, and earning a total family income of at least $60,000 per year. If you compare the Tea Party respondents' numbers with the data from the Census Bureau (from 2009, just one year later than the CBS-NYT data), you will find that although most Americans do identify as white (65.1%) and are relatively wealthy (median family income of $52,029), there are still significant social groups not included in the Tea Party movement. Nationally, 12.9% of people identify as black (as compared with 3% of Tea Party respondents), 15.8% identify as Hispanic or Latino (as compared with 1%), and 4.6% identify as Asian (as compared with 1%). In addition, in 2008 13.2% of the American people were living below the poverty level, which was $14,000 for a family of two. Only 5% of polled Tea Party supporters reported a total family income below $15,000.
The persistent belief of Tea Party supporters that they represent 'The American People' illustrates the potency of the American imperialist narrative, and the blindness of many white Americans to their own privilege (and their blindness to the existence and needs of other races). "Teabaggers" in general seem unaware of how much their ideals contradict each other. Teaparty.org's "About" page claims that the "Tea Party dream includes all who possess a strong belief in the foundational Judaic/Christian values embedded in our great founding documents....[T]he responsibility of our beloved nation is entrenched within the hearts of true American Patriots from all walks of life, every race, religion and national origin". Obviously, not every religion operates according to "Judaic/Christian values". The Tea Party rhetoric wants to be 'accurately' American (following all popular American myths, such as the American melting pot), but doesn't bother to critically engage with -- or even acknowledge -- the diverse interests and histories which have formed those narratives. Tea Party supporters (as far as I can tell) blindly and enthusiastically regurgitate all of the American myths fed to them through high school textbooks and Time Magazine, and because they take those myths to be good, equate them with their own interests (which naturally must be good).
Zernike's charming young revolutionaries, actually seemingly well-read, are irrelevant if the policies engendered by the Tea Party movement are based on Glenn Beck's "logic" and leftover anti-Communist paranoia from the baby boomers. The Howard Beale comparison is almost too obvious -- these people are mad, and they want to scream about it. The only difference is that they don't even need a leader; their leader is "American" rhetoric.
All of the YouTube videos I watched of the Tea Party demonstrators showed, overwhelmingly, people who were angry because they had been fed a few lines by Fox News and Sarah Palin. They were riled up over "Obamacare" and didn't even know the details of the plan. They marched with signs raging against "czars" and didn't even know what function czars performed in government. Teaparty.org's founder Dale Robertson writes that he "knew the Tea Party concept was far superior, because it removed all the obstacles of party lines, without the baggage of confused issues and only focused on a few talking points." Indeed. Is this the revolutionary politics of the proudly mediocre Americans? -- ignore those confusing issues, and take the talking points to heart?
Hoodwinked
A group of people who do believe they have that ability are the people that make up the Tea Party Movement. They have been described as; "an authentic popular movement, brought on by anger over the economy and distrust of government--at all levels, and in BOTH parties." "an American political movement that has sponsored protests and supported candidates since 2009. Its platform is explicitly populist and is generally recognized as CONSERVATIVE and LIBERTARIAN." I think its important to point out that while a majority of the people in the movement are republican, it does not mean all of them are. They describes themselves as, "a grassroots movement that calls awareness to any issue that challenges the security, sovereignty, or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, the United States of America." A majority of the issues I saw that they stood against were Obama and the economy. Which makes sense to me. If I decided to start to care about politics, I could easily see myself as a part of this "Tea Party" A few things that stuck with me, from our reading, when Grimes is quoted in response to things that are untrue::: "You can have all the facts, but if you don't trust the mind-set or the value system of the people involved, you can't even look at the facts anymore. This made a lot of sense to me. I have never been a fan of Obama. And from reading the poll, I found out that a lot of people who took the survey just generally don't like him, other top reasons being the health reform or that they didn't know. I don't have very good reasons as to WHY, but a lot of it comes from the fact that I believe he is a charmer, and spends entirely too much time talking. Not enough doing. And my daddy told me never to trust a man that was good with words - they're dangerous. But that's just my perspective -- from no research.
Grimes makes a good point, without the trust - facts don't exist as far as they are concerned. Carender said, "I feel like it was just running right over me and I didn't have any say in it at all..." I feel like this statement is the reason a majority of the people in the Tea Party joined the movement in the first place. They were frustrated and wanted to DO something about it. They were ready to be HEARD.
I also agreed with the themes of the Tea Party as said by Glenn Beck, "that Democrats and Republicans alike were to blame. That free markets just needed room to work. And that it was the American people, not the elites in Washington, who knew how to confront the crisis." The second one plays very nicely into my philosophy on life. Give it some space, don't hover- IT WILL WORK ITSELF OUT. So as I may not be ready to spend my free time at a rally or protest, I think what the people of this movement are doing, is good.
As Jennifer Stefano put it, "No one was representing me-- not the Republicans, not the Democrats.... Nobody cared about people like me, at all" and later said of the Tea Party: "this is where I belong." I thought this was important. This movement, I believe, is for those who don't feel like they've been represented accurately. Who don't agree with either side, right or left, anymore- the conservative liberals have found a group to belong to. People that "are as mad as hell and don't want to take this anymore" - as Howard Beale from the network said. Howard encouraged people not to just lay down and take it anymore, but to get up out of their chairs, and do something about it. Much like what the people of the movement are doing.
Sources: Washington Post, Tea Party Website, Zernicke, and myself :)
Tea Party
After reading Zernike and doing other research, it’s clear that my impression of the Tea Party wasn’t totally accurate. I was shocked when, looking at the CBS/NYT Tea Party survey, I saw that 47% of Tea Partiers thought that Sarah Palin would not make an effective president (with 40% thinking that she would, and 13% being undecided). The Tea Party doesn’t actually seem to have any leaders; its members are the leaders. This goes a step beyond Adorno’s “Human Interest” technique. The leader doesn’t even have to feign interest in his followers; the movement is all about the followers, and what they want for themselves and their families. So clearly the movement isn’t just a group of people following and supporting Sarah Palin. But then what is it? It was really hard for me to find unbiased articles, though that makes sense when you think about it. It’s a hugely important current issue, so it’s going to hard for people to separate their opinions from the facts. One of the best sources that I found was actually the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement): it lists the important issues for the tea party, without much bias seeming to seep in. The Tea Party “endorses reduced government spending, lower taxes, reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit, and adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution.” That actually makes a lot of sense, and those are platforms that, at least in theory, I can mostly agree with.
But then I look at videos of the Tea Party supporters (such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y), and all of my understanding of/sympathy with the movement leaves just as quickly as it came. To me, there’s no way around the fact that these people are nuts. I don’t understand how a logical platform gets warped into these crazy ideas that these people hold. As Zernike says, “every time you thought you could put the movement in a box, you encountered something that didn’t fit” (page 11 of Boiling Mad). And since the ‘followers’ seem to be the ‘leaders’ of the Tea Party, I guess their crazy rallies really are the face of the movement. And if that’s true, it’s a movement that I’m not going to ever be able to even sort of support.
WTH Tea Party Movement
Something's Brewing... too bad tea is steeped
I made a slightly shocking realization this weekend – I could be a member of the Tea Party, if I was angry enough, disliked the government more, and really hated both political parties in some way. And yeah, it’d probably help if I was actually Conservative. That aside, the Tea Party and I agree at least on a few things – the economy sucks, Congress isn’t perfect, I’d really rather not live in George Orwell’s 1984, thank you very much. But the degree to which we feel Congress is having issues and how we express it is where we strongly diverge. At least that's what I believed until I heard exactly what some Tea Party members were saying.
The video of the Tea Party rally in DC that Jordan sent to us (thanks for that, by the way) really interested me. I’ve heard (from Fox News) how peaceful the protests are and there’s no littering and no threatening. So I’ll admit that I was a bit shocked to see the piles of garbage, the passive-aggressive signs (“Keep pushing us and find out what happens”) and rhetoric that I would expect more from the Westboro Baptist Church, including one man saying, “9/11 was our warning” and calling for people to repent (quick blurb about Westboro Baptist Church: they’re the organization that protests military funerals and believe 9/11 occurred because we allow for homosexuality to exist in our country). One man in the video even claimed that the Bible “deciphered in its content” expresses that Barak Obama’s name means Anti-Christ. But just because a few people at a rally have some crazy ideas doesn’t mean they actually have that much in common with extreme groups like Westboro, or that they’re typical members of the Tea Party. To quote Zernike, “…this fringe did not define the Tea Party.” This is just one representation, and they didn’t talk to everyone there. Maybe it’s just a fluke a lot people with odd opinions were more prominent.
So to get another perspective, I found this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM. I was especially interested to watch it after hearing (and getting pissed off at) the 9/12 rally about how most abortions are done on black women and thereafter noticing that everyone who interviewed seemed to belong to the category of “white American.” The members of this rally appeared more diverse and also had better comebacks to the questions presented (perhaps because it was made by supporters, perhaps not). The rally itself even seemed different – a calmer tone, a more welcoming atmosphere, somewhat less insulting signs. This seemed more like the Tea Party Glenn Beck has been promoting – and the one that is supposed to be the majority. But again, this was made by supporters; it could have been staged. Plus it didn’t help that the last guy said he didn’t even belong to the Tea Party.
And because I wasn’t yet satisfied, I had to drag in Sarah Palin and watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH8YABbht_I. There’s a lot of interesting stuff here, but I’m only going to focus on parts of it, otherwise this post will never end. Palin made some beautifully Hegelian comments about Egypt (about who’s side we should be on) and also makes some interesting political moves regarding Bush. Judge Napolitano, the host of the show, opened by saying we should take a cue from Egypt and not let big government control us, as it has in the past with the USA PATRIOT Act (fun fact: did you know that that’s actually an acronym for “Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism?” Blame my roommate, Sarah, for knowing that little gem). Palin goes on to echo this, saying we should move away from Bush’s form of government (as he signed the PATRIOT Act) which is interesting, considering when Democrats said Obama was inheriting a lot of issues from Bush, Republicans tended to say that it wasn’t Bush’s fault but the Democratic Congress in the last two years of Bush’s term. So now Republicans want to blame Bush? I’m a bit lost.
Palin got me interested in seeing what other politicians think of the Tea Party (especially since two prominent Republicans, probably running for President, are from Minnesota – Michelle Bachman and Tim Pawlenty). This article from the LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cpac-20110213,0,4410538.story) shows how members of the GOP are trying to appeal to Tea Partiers. But if the Tea Partiers are as angry at Congress and the government as polls say they are, will this do any good? Maybe. Though the stats from the CBS-NYT poll show that 96% of Tea Party members disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job, only a slight majority disapprove of representatives from their district (49% vs 40%). Maybe it’s easier to hate a public official you have no personal connection with – it’s easy to blame Congress in general but maybe not so easy if you’ve actually met a representative in person. But the polls from the general public showed similar results; so maybe it’s not such a Tea Party specific sentiment. Palin, however, believes having Tea Partiers in Congress is a major step forward to appeal to the desires of people who are dissatisfied with the way our country is being run. Yet having the Republicans go Tea Party seems to make this more complicated – aren’t the Partiers supposed to be pissed at both Reps and Dems? If I were a Tea Partier, I’d be pissed if the Congress suddenly started trying to curry favor with me. If I distrust the government, why would I trust them just because they started trying to agree with me? Besides, what exactly do they support? Zernike mentioned how some Partiers want to avoid social issues like abortion, while according the LA Times, some delegates are upset that these issues are being down-played.
Finally, I ended up at a Tea Party website (http://www.summit11.org/) where a friendly-sounding woman on a video tried to convince attend Tea Party Summit in Phoenix (the video for this summit is on the left-hand side of the page, if you’re interested). Out of everything I found, I think this video freaked me out the most. By attending this summit I would be able to “write the first pages of a new chapter of American History” (oh, hai Hegel) and spend time in a town that was “born in the ruins of a former civilization” (they pair this with a clip of a Navajo dancer. I screamed when I watched this bit). Promoted as a movement for ordinary people, I thought it was interesting that the video advertised all the fancy resorts and spas that one could visit while attending the summit, so during the day you can worry about fiscal responsibility then head off for a nice luxury massage afterwards. Yeah, makes perfect sense…The kindly-voiced woman continues to condemn big government but mentions a reform plan that will last for decades. “We shook up the establishment in just two years – imagine what we can do in forty!” she says at the end. That sounds kind of… well, big government-y.
I can see why Beck likes the Tea Party – it’s a lot like him. In the words of Ardorno, about Thomas: “… Thomas uses the vagueness of his image of himself to leave room for any kind of fantasy on the part of the audience. He presents himself as a kind of empty frame which can be filled out by the most contradictory conceptions on the part of his listeners.” The Tea Party, though they have a strong basic opinions, seems to be expressed in a numerous different ways, so much so that when I watched the Tea Partiers and the Anti-Tea Partiers one after the other, if it hadn’t been for the sound, I wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference between the two. If people who hate government health care and people who support Medicaid are part of the same movement, then exactly how does one define what the Tea Party does? Each rally and politician’s opinion adds a different dynamic and with no sound platform for the Party. One person could easily jump in, run with a basic idea that the Party supports and ultimately become its voice, completely redefining it. I mean, there's enough contradiction between people in the same rally, I feel like it'd be easy for anyone to step in and say, "Yeah, awesome, the government sucks right now. I only agree with about 10% of you, but that's cool." If that happens, what becomes of the Tea Party then? Will expand our political parties for the better? Or will it become like the 3rd Reich?
Yeah, Godwin’s Law, I know. Sue me.
Manipulative and racist
Besides having answered all of the questions for the sake of the assignment and my own understanding of the Tea Party, I believe that a majority of the participants know just as little as I do right now. They have a clear outlined goal of what their party stands for on their website of course, but as seen on one of the youtube clips, sent by Jordan, called "9.12 DC TEA PARTY - MARCH FOOTAGE WITH INTERVIEWS", I couldn't help but find it extremely offensive. They literally called Obama a communist, fascist, etc. As part of the assignment, we are to make sense of what the tea party is right? I make sense of it that it is a party of racism. Towards the beginning of the clip, a white male stands and shouts, "35 percent of abortions by black American women-they only make 12 percent of the population." If his comment were to tie in the abortions to the health care plan then, what of the 65 percent? Are they committed by white females? Note that tea partiers are angry at the Obama health care and so it would only be 35 percent, not even half as much as the other 65 to cover the health costs of the minority blacks. I watched the clip twice too and did not see a single race other than white as far as I could see into the background of the clip. I was expecting maybe an Asian person at least right? But no, all white and mostly middle aged and older. Another guy had said, "His mother was white, so he's not African American but he's going that way because that's phase off for him." What? How rude and racist is that? If I were Obama, I would be like, "So just because I have a white parent, I have to be white and not black?"
On the other hand, I would believe that the Tea Party is utilizing some of the techniques that Adorno describes in his book about the psychological techniques of Martin Luther Thomas. The Lone wolf one came to mind not in the definition that Adorno gave, but in the sense that since the Tea party does not side with either the Democrats or the Republicans, the Tea party makes people feel like the lone wolf where they were ignored by both parties and had no one to turn to; they were alone, by themselves in this all along. Another tactic is the human interest one. The tea party appealing to people who work hard and deserve to keep what they make instead of throwing it at the health care for someone else who couldn't afford it.
And finally, gathering from the poll results from the Tea Party survey, I just think that a majority of the participants just don't like Obama in general. Maybe because he is black, or maybe for a more complex reason. The number three question asked, regardless of your opinion, what do you like least about Obama.19 people don't like him in general. Question number 12 asked what the opinion of the surveyee was and 84 of tea party supporters were not favorable about Obama.
My opinion and in trying to make sense of the Tea Party is that it is 1) manipulative according to my source of Adorno in utilizing psychological techniques to draw in supporters 2) is racist and prejudiced according to the primary source from a youtube clip with tea party supporters calling Obama Hitler, a fascist, and all other names and for the fact that almost if not all of supporters of that party are whites.
SOURCES: ZERNIKE, POLL DATA, ADORNO, primary source: youtube clip; secondary source: tea party website, I consider it a secondary source because I don't know who runs this website, and it could be a number of people and not specifically to the tea party.
Is the so called "Tea Party" really in favor of supporting the nation or is it PERSONAL?
Saturday, February 12, 2011
Posting assignment #3 (due Sunday 2/13, 11:59 P.M.): Anyone for tea?
To begin our study, I will ask you in this post to do another Rankean search-and-synthesize project -- similar to what we did with Loughner, only this time it's harder, because it's less focused and more open-ended: here, it's not just "why" that's up for debate, but also "what," "who," "where," and "how". ("When" seems fairly well established, although Zernike might beg to differ.) Obviously, I'm not asking you to solve all these problems for good in a 300-word blog post. But I am asking you to:
1) Read Zernike carefully. Note connections to...well, pretty much everything we've studied so far.
2) Look through the data I sent out via email, from the CBS/New York Times poll of Tea Party members. Again, keep note of the information you find most important, and most relevant to Zernike and the stuff that's come before (especially last week's material).
3) Find at least two sources of your own on the Tea Party -- including (at least) one primary source and (at least) one secondary source -- which help you build your understanding of the Tea Party, either by confirming or by contradicting the stuff you learned from Zernike, the poll data, and Network / Weber / Adorno.
4) Write a post, of usual length (minimum ~300 words), in which you bring these sources together -- (a) Zernike, (b) the poll data, (c) your two sources, and (d) at least one thing from Network or Weber or Adorno -- to start making some sense of the Tea Party. This is not easy. There are no clear answers. This history is still being written. Here are some questions to think about (feel no need to address them all): What, exactly, IS the Tea Party? Who is in it? Who isn't? Why have people chosen to join? What do people want out of it? What are people getting out of it? How does it work? What kind of power does it have? How does it use that power? Who is in charge? As always, when doing Rankean history, make sure you make strong arguments for your position and defend your arguments with evidence from your primary and secondary sources.
Have fun -- as someone who's spent a lot of time with this stuff and still feels like he can barely wrap his head around it, I'm really excited to see what you find!
Thursday, February 10, 2011
Jordan's Protocol 2/10
We started class today like usual, by condensing the room. Everyone moved out the extra chairs and pushed their desks forward to give it a better feel. Ben then threw a large garbage bag into the middle of the circle, after staring at it for a few seconds we all realized it was our work that had been taken off the walls. The very nice janitor Wayne saved our precious archives after speaking with Ben in the hallway on Tuesday afternoon. Ben was very glad Wayne found our work in the garbage because without it we would have lost our entire historical archive, “Without that random chance event all of our archive would have been lost and history would have looked a lot different!” Ben exclaimed.
On the topic of changing history we turned our attention to the controversy in Egypt, and how their history was about to change. A newly released article state that Mubarak was going to step down soon, possibly even tonight. We then brought up the article that Ben sent us overnight. This article talked about the economy and less about the protesters, this shift in storyline happened over the weekend. The journalists are no longer talking about the protests but more so about how the protests are now affecting the economy in Egypt. It is quite interesting to see how fast the focus can change on a story like this.
After covering the breaking news we moved on to a couple administrative things. Ben has gotten all caught up on grading and we will get emails with our grades and some comments later on today or possibly tomorrow. Along with our grades we Ben also added some comments to the end of the email, the comments aren’t going to be sent along with every grade we get but for the first few we will so we know how to improve our writings. The blog comment grades will not be sent out in an email, basically if you did it you get the point and if you didn’t do it then you get a zero. The blog assignment for this weekend will be up tonight and it will be regarding the tea party. Ben is going to send us some quantitative sources (stats on the tea party) and we will have to find a couple sources of our own to answer the questions Ben posts. The last administrative thing is that the reading for next Thursday is NOT in the course packet or from any of our books, we will get it by next Tuesday either in class or via email.
Now that all of that was taken care of, it was time for peer editing. We got into groups of 2 or 3 and exchanged letters with each other. After reading the rubric over (to refresh our minds of the criteria) we read our group members writing. After thoroughly reading through the writing we graded the papers on the rubric we received and made a few constructive comments on what they could improve on. Once we finished the peer editing in our groups we looked at a few examples from others in the class and the class commented on them. The first paper we looked at was Ahmed’s letter that was written to a friend of his. The information in the letter was fantastic and all the connections were smooth but the only concern the class had was whether or not he had his audience in mind when he was writing. Ben pointed out that you want to keep your writing personal, if your friend likes sports then relate a theory from class to sports. If they enjoy music relate it to music but make sure you make some sort of personal connection between your audience and the theory you have picked from the class. Next we looked at Sophie’s paper, which in contrast to Ahmed’s was very personal and focused on her audience (her mother). Sophie’s paper was a good example of how you can make all kinds of connections in your life; it does not necessarily need to be a current event in the news.
With the peer editing out of the way we moved onto the next part of the class. For the last 20 minutes of class we watched a video of Dinah Shore interviewing the producer of the movie “Network”. The producer had a very interesting take on his movie and on all television networks. The thing that stood out the most was that the director doesn’t believe anything that he sees on TV. He watches it purely for entertainment purposes because everything that is put on shows is edited and shortened to make a line or a speech sound more appealing. After watching this Ben asked us if we could make any connection from that interview and the things we have been studying in class. Brittany said that she thought the point that the producer brought up was very Hegelian, the news only shows the important parts just like in history. It is a selection process. Marika then commented that she understands why they do that because the true things aren’t necessarily entertaining which brings us back to a point the producer brought up. Networks are making shows and clips that sell, its about the money and economics not about the truth.
On the topic of truth, we talked for the last couple minutes of class about charismatic truth and bureaucratic truth. The concept that Ben wanted to get us thinking about was the Garbage Can Model. This model comes from sociology and talks about how ideas don’t come from rational linear thinking but instead from building on your peers ideas until you reach the best. An example from Network is when the producers are trying to figure out what to do with Howard Biel. They don’t just flat out say “We could kill him” but they all brainstorm ideas and come up with ones that are better than the previous one until finally they reach the conclusion of killing him. This model happens all throughout history, just think about it.
FOR TUESDAY READ ZERNIKE, IT IS AN EASY READ AND IT TIES EVERYTHING WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN CLASS TOGETHER.
Hallie's Protocol 2/10
2/10 Reading History
-Attendance
-Ben’s posters got taken, Wayne saved them, we now have an archive!
-Egypt
- Ahmed: military stepping in, Mubarak most likely stepping down
- Ben: military becoming instrument of change
- Most news coming from Associated Press, same articles throughout country
-Grades for blog posts, difficultations, protocols, etc.
-Blog assignment: tea party. Find primary sources, etc. Other housekeeping stuff…
-Letters to our mothers
-With a partner, editing and peer reviewing
-Ahmed read his aloud for the class
-Content terrific, how can it be communicated to a specific person better?
-Sophie read her email aloud for the class
-Make sure that writing is tied to theory from the class
-Dinah Shore interviews the writer of “Network”
-Dinah Shore loves the movie!
-“How to preserve yourself in a world that doesn’t really live anymore”
-Went out to make a great movie, not exactly to prove a point
-Dehumanization, and addressing this within the movie
-Dinah Shore tries hard to be funny
-Deals with how the news operation is manipulated
-Only responsibility is to stockholders, only about money
-Television has power that transcends anything else in the world today
-“Execution of the Week”
-When is human life more important than the dollar?
-Discussion of interview
-Brittney: Hegelian in the sense that it only puts in the “important stuff”, edited
-Martika: TV is just watched for entertainment, why watch it if its boring?
-Ben: “Non-agentive conspiracy” (Chomsky), media monopolization
-Garbage can model of organizational thinking
-It’s not a rational linear thinking that brings about an event, it is a building of ideas over a period of time
-“The Origins of the Final Solution” (Browning)
Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Rachel's Protocol- 2/8
Marika's Protocol 2/8
-Ben took attendance, noticing that A LOT of the class was absent.
-Thoughts about sources and how they’re gathered
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RANDOM: Man reveals he was a natzi on a show called “Off the Map” and will be prosecuted
All historians want to preserve the memories; which is not always in the interest of everyone else. Jewish people say “may his name be blotted out” about Hitler.
similrities between Adorno and. Adorno was jewish and catholic. Adorno talked about various things such as music and Sociology. He left Germany, went to California and moved back after the war. Adorno wanted to flee the Natzi’s because he was a Marxist. Not a supporter of Stallin. Adorno was working in Hegels tradition.
--NOTICE: The walls were cleared.
(Informal context Boggle) Weber- Not a hegelian in a traditional sense, but definitely studied the course of German history.
Off topic again.... After the 2nd war ended Germany established a shaky government. Adorno p.3 “In america..... highly impractical for any leader.....” Democracy was not part of a German Democracy. Lots of people didn’t want to take on this new government, it wasn’t very stable.
-Write Protocols in Narrative form from now on-
Ben: Article 48: in state of emergency the prez. of Germany has the right to suspend the laws and rule by decree. Hitler was elected. burning was blamed on communist (staged) and Hitler declared a state of emergency and became “in charge” Weber supported article 48
Brittany: Glen Beck had a parrallel to M.L. Thomas.
Ben: Interesting thing about MLT- We know very little about him
-Ben shows booklet written by M.L.T
Ben: anything you noticed in clip of Glen Beck?
Alyssa: Human interest trick compared to Beck’s clip...
Mandy: P. 7 “Showing emotions will make them want to follow”
Ben reads excerpt from page 7
Carrie: “consciously and empatheticly emotional as part of his technique”
Ben gives background/Keyword on Hegel: “DIALECTIC” the idea that a thing in history has both itself and its opposite often as part of the same phenomenon. ex: thesis and anti thesis in dialectic relation to eachother often caused by the same thing. Thesis produces anti thesis and the dialectic conflict between them makes the synthesis.
BEN: “you can’t be rationally irrational, but history is full of these, history works on it. Glen puts vapors under his eyes to make him cry easier- consciously irrational.
Ben: “if discussion is working we can just talk today”... “Is howard beil a glen beck/MLT(martin luther thomas? just putting it on for show?” Every media person compares themselves to Biel. “Turn to Z in course packet p. 228/229--- “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore scene recalled”
Ben: “This is our first piece of fiction, when we deal with fiction, we deal with mythologies” To what extent is H.B. a Glen Beck or MLT?
Alyssa: Glen Beck seems more conscious of what he’s doing. H.B. seems as if he’s having an actual mental breakdown.
Ben: other thoughts?- none
Ben: “Stand up and grad the things you have and need to write with. Imagine that the circle is a target and the bulls eye in the middle represents I completely understand and the outside shows you didn’t understand at all. Place yourself on the target. Everyone is at about the same place.” I’m now changing my plans, make eye contact with someone in the circle you’ve never talked to before. people who haven’t found anyone raise your hand, pick one of them and go stand with the person you’ve found.” Find a place to sit/stand. Take 5 min to 1. talk about rxn to network after you saw it. 2. then see if you can find one moment if Weber and one in MLT that help you make sense of the rxn you saw.
Reactions to film: -- NETWORK: *Ahmed and Jordan* ...jordan: reminded her a lot of glen beck. Ahmed: reminded him of Hitler, because everyone knew Hitler was crazy but they went along with his plans anyway, just like in the movie. Jordan: they were sick of the regular routine and wanted something different which is what he offered. Weber atricle... “in order to live up to their mission.... occupational family life” p.182 in other words you can’t be “Average” to live up to expectations. also like Hegel, once you hit your aim, you’re done. Ben interjected: comparing superbowl/football Ahmed: comparing sports to Hegel- After you reach your full potential you’re done (Brett Favre)
***Ben: 1 Minute left in discussion***
Ben: “lets rejoin the circle” “What did you talk about?”
Emily: “Howard overtaken by the world spirit, he woke up in the night and it seemed like someone was speaking to him”
Ben: lets review the scene- (plays scene)
Emily: World spirit told him what to do
Ben: “every single time he faints ! Yea... so what about that ? The world spirit- Mandy go ahead”
Mandy: p. 15 Brittany: He’s not actually the one with the ideas, he’s just delivering the message
Ben: comparing him to a prophet, in the sense that god doesn’t speak to people directly but has agents that do it for him. “Speak more on the cut”
Mandy: I was confused on the scene, it didn’t make sense till he went back and explained about his dream. whoever edited it may have done in on accident
Ben: it was totally intentional, these guys know what they’re doing.
Ben: Adorno- once you do things that aren’t so nice, you can easily progress. How did a country that appeared to be advanced (Germany) become that way?
Mandy: Minnesota Nice history???
Ben: We will talk about creation myths next week. without this scene, I think its possible you could have read him as a MLT (Martin Luther Thomas) to keep his job. The scene we watched shows that its more complicated than that. Either he’s going nuts or he’s in viewed with a spirit.
***Last 10 min WEBER***
Jordan: p. 182 (reads same quote from above) “I think it means to be the “master” you can’t be an ordinary person, there has to be something special about you.
Ben: the question is to what extent is that true/staged?
Brittany: they have to be able to relate to thers but possess qualities they don’t have.
Charasmatic Leader vs. Bureaucratic Leader
Ben: charasmatic?
Carrie: At the end of the movie they wanted to kill him... compared to Hegel, the world spirit has left him, and his followers abandon him.
BEN: Moral made hitler and destroyed him. once you have Hegel and Ranke embedded, then opportunist come and take that common sense understanding and they use it to manipulate people. We’re at a knee joint in the course.
Couple of things in the last 2 minutes
BEN:“for thursday: no new readings, review old readings... 2 major points 1. define charamatic vs. bureaucratic and why it matters.... Adorno was a student of Weber... 2nd lets talk about the economics think about all the stuff adorno keeps talking about and looka at what weber says.
Also 1st draft due on Thursday: this is not academic writing, don’t need 2 seperate sections (argument and why its important). Have trust that I am not dumb, and I will see it.” TAKE CARE.
Thursday, February 3, 2011
Jordan's Protocol 2/3
We began class today by watching about 10 minutes of High Hitler, while we watched Ben told us to try and find a connection between the movie and Hegel. The movie used a lot of different sources to show that Hitler was a meth addict.
After we watched the movie we moved to a large group discussion about the connections we saw.
· Hallie began by saying the movie was a way of breaking down Hitler into a real person. In a way they were taking the world spirit out of Hitler.
· Lindsey then mentioned that Hitler never met the doctor that provided him wit the drugs until after we was in rule, so before then the world spirit must have been with him. Elissa added to that by saying before the drugs Hitler was already thinking about and plotting out his plan so the it wasn’t just the drugs.
· Hitler was a man who was in the right place at the right time who got the opportunity to become a major leader.
· Another point brought up was the movies connection with Clarke who said that if others things in a person’s life would not have occurred then maybe they would not have done what they did. Is that what High Hitler is doing? Making excuses for the things that Hitler did, it is taking the blame off Hitler.
After that discussion we moved onto Kate and Paige’s difficultation on the Waz reading Taking down the Fort. They started by passing out note cards to everyone. On one side we wrote how we felt after reading the article. After everyone finished we formed two circles that faced each other, and did a “speed dating” like activity. We talked with the person across from us about our reactions to the article, then after a minute we switched to another person. After sharing with three people we went back to the large group to discuss. Some of the common thoughts that were:
· Nobody knew about the concentration camps at Fort Snelling before reading this article, and most people were very shocked by what was being hidden from them.
· A big debate that was brought up in the article and in class too was whether or not the fort should be torn down, renovated or left alone.
o One point of view was to keep the fort up because there is still other significant history that took place there. Although if they keep it up they need to portray what actually happened much better.
o Brittany said that she thinks it should be torn down because it would only be fair.
Next Paige read us an article from the Fort Snelling website that talked about the history of the Fort. When she was done reading they asked us to turn our note cards over and write down a quote or an idea from the reading that we feel should be added to the websites history article. Once we all wrote down our ideas we broke up into three groups to come up with one idea.
My group debated whether or not the fort should be torn down. We decided that if it were to be kept up, it needs to be majorly remodeled to better portray the history of the Fort and that there should not be any more birthday parties held there. And if the site is not remodeled a Holocaust Museum should be created to commemorate the Dakotas.
After a few minutes all the groups shared the idea they came up with.
· Group one said that if anything the facts portrayed at the Fort need to be more accurate to what actually happened. Also since it was a place of genocide there should be some sort of memorial.
· Group two said that they could see why the Dakota people were so upset and since it affected them so much their perspective should be included in the history.
Once we all finished sharing our ideas, Kate and Paige let us know that they would be sending an email to a woman at Fort Snelling with containing the ideas we just came up with. They would let her know that we think it is important to add those ideas to the website’s history of Fort Snelling.
We ended class talked about Hitler, of course.
We talked discussed the fact that you can’t really tell both sides without one side being unsatisfied with the results. An example from the Waz article is that we only know the American perspective on the history of the Fort and nothing about the Dakota Perspective.
We then moved on to discuss if this concentration camp was comparable to Nazi concentration camps? And if we make a memorial for this concentration camp in American then don’t we have to make one for everyone? Where do you stop? In order to keep the past in the present we must put the effort into keeping it up.
The next point was that when you are the victor it is really hard to tell the whole truth but on the flip side when you are not the victor it is very easy to tell every gruesome detail about how it actually happened.
Reminder: Screening of the Network is tonight! It starts at 7:00pm and goes until about 9:30, it will be help in room 275 of Nicholson Hall.
Tuesday, February 1, 2011
Kate's Protocol - Febuary 1st
We also played context boggle. Some interesting facts about Hegel where that…
-He was one of the creators of German Idealism, which was a motive thought coming out of the enlightenment. Meaning the world is moving towards an ideal.
-He had a son with the land lady. His son, Charles Hegel, introduced the book “The Philosophy of History.”
-He only published four books in his lifetime.
-He also saw Napoleon once and called him, “the world spirit on horseback.”
-He was fluent in Latin and German.
-He developed the concept of mind and spirit.
- Majorly influenced Marx.
-His book was a composition of his students lecture notes.
After context boggle we got into four different groups and discussed some key words from the reading.
Group 1- Focused on the idea that everyone is going in their own separate direction, but everyone is “controlled” by a higher world-spirit.
-Movement in many different directions, opposed to just one arrow. The arrows represented Hegel's ideas/thought process.
Group A-They talked about Heroic men (Alexander, Napoleon, and Caesar) and the idea that the world spirit influences these men. They used the quote, "Must trample on many an innocent flower" to describe the idea that great men don’t care who they have to hurt in order to get where they are going.
Great N- The main idea was that we are moving towards the present/Universal history. They also had the idea that the world is moving in one direction and at the end of history is freedom and truth.
Some other important notes…
-Truth plays itself out through history.
-Ben ended the class talking about the “invisible hand.” This concept was developed by Adam Smith. It deals with modern capitalism and the idea that human beings are led by an invisible hand.
Marika's Protocol 2/1
We will be doing 2 kinds of writing in this class: External, and Internal. Example of (informal) internal writing: Blog Post Example of (formal) external writing: writing assignments. Formal writing in this class does not entail 5b paragraph essays or other specific writing rules. All assignments will have their own specific form, and be designed for a specific audience. We will never write in 5 paragraph essay form.
*Correction to assignment: its dues Thursday the 17th, not that Friday
1st writing assignment rough draft is due a week from Thursday (hard copy) in class. It will be graded by check mark, not points. Ben will make sure you've done the assignment and the length is appropriate.
The 1st writing assignment will be an email to your m/other and you must cc or bcc Ben... Ben told the story behind cc and bcc in class. you are required to email it to someone else to make sure you're not "BS-ing the assignment.
-Blog grading will be emailed later this week.
Ben asked if anyone could repeat everyones name in the class. No one volunteered, then Ben successfully named everyone.
Ben complimented the class on their Hegel posts.
We played context boggle- Heidi won
interesting Hegel facts: his last words "...and he didn't understand me", developed the concept of mind and spirit, his book is a combination of lecture notes/protocols
Ben passed out the group blog post. We were given 10-15 min in a group to make sense of the keywords Ben gave us, and figure out how they in Hegels History. we were given paper to create a visual to teach the class what we learned.
My group talked about the past being Oriental, Greek, and Roman world, and the Future/Ultimate goal being Germany. We talked about how Hegel said Africa had no history and how he wanted to unite everyone with his ideas.
Group 3 presented 1st: They provided the idea that the history of Africa was peaceful, and Africa was able expand/extract as needed. Ben talked about how African history is neglected in schools. Then we discussed how thesis and antithesis lead to the end of history, which causes peace.
Group 2 presented 2nd: They talked about the "heroes" Alexander, Napoleon, Caesar. "The will of the world historical individual is not h is own" meaning the world spirit "impregnates" these men and one it is done with them, they are done/empty. "must trample on many an innocent flower."
Group 1 presented last: The talked about the world spirit. There are future consequences/connections that humans aren't aware of. There visual was arrows on a random path. The arrows represented Hegel's ideas/thought process. supposedly not knowing the "world spirit" was helping him move the world forward. The invisible hand (Adam Smith) -humans led by invisible hand to help all.
We didn't get to watch Hitler, will do so next class and continue discussion on Hegel.
Wanted: World ruler position available-full time-must be willing to be overthrown for the good of history
We have sort of processed the information thinking that Hegel was wrong. We had this opinion going into reading that it would be difficult and outdated. So my question is this; is what Hegel is saying REALLY outdated?
Each of our groups today portrayed a part of the diagram that Ben put on the board; the first group laid out the foundation for the timeline of history, while the other groups WERE the thesis and antithesis-thesis being the individual rulers (who, by the way, all have things in common), and the antithesis being the groups who opposed those rulers and made changes and took history in a different direction (ultimately toward the End of History). I think it's obvious that Hitler is our present day Alexander the Great, Julius Caeser, and Napoleon. We briefly said that the progression has an east-west orientation, but I find it to be more south-north. In any case, Hegel shows this progression toward freedom and truth through conflict, because conflict is the antithesis. The only way history changes is through conflict, and without change the End of History isn't attainable. Back to Hitler-what he did was unimaginable, but it DID change the course of history. I feel like it was an aid in striving for changing social interactions between people (i.e. gender, race, sexuality, religion, etc.). So I think another important question is, who is it that is going to take up Hitler, Napoleon, Caeser, and Alexander's role as the thesis? And for that matter, what exactly is the criteria for someone to fit this position? Glenn Beck might say Obama. And for that matter, we've had and still have people who may be considered heartless rulers...so why aren't they remembered like these 4 are?
Just some thoughts. :)